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this promises to yield a pack of candidates with those in line with the hard right. god, guns, and go back where you came from, i forgot benghazi. that's "hardball" for now. thanks for being with us. "all in with chris hayes" starts right now. tonight, on "all in" -- >> my son, seth, signed the petition asking me, dad, the governor, to veto this bill. >> a republican governor tries a new tact in the religious freedom fight. he may have learned something from republican failures in indiana. then, california's water crisis. >> we're standing on dry grass. we should be standing in five feet of snow. >> for the first time in history, the golden state gets mandatory water restrictions. and today federal prosecutors indict a sitting u.s. senator. the secret sources of cash for
2016 campaigns, and the next gadget from amazon that could revolutionize shopping. >> you'll get new products delivered to your door before you run out. and never miss a beat. >> "all in" starts right now. >> good evening. we have a lot of breaking news tonight including a new federal indictment that could actually help president obama's iran diplomacy. we begin in arkansas, where republican governor gave a very unusual address today. he got caught between republicans pushing one of those controversial religious bills. instead, he invoked some disapproval closer to home. >> there is clearly a generational gap on this issue. my son, seth, signed the petition asking me, dad, the governor, to veto this bill.
how do we as a state communicate to the world that we are respectful of diverse workplace, and we want to be known as a state that does not discriminate, but understands tolerance. making this law like the federal law will aid us in that effort in communication, but also it was my original objective from the beginning. >> that's actually a big statement, because dad, the governor, had previously implied he would sign this very bill. all the major news channels carried that speech live today, which is unusual, of course, for arkansas legislative press conferences. it may mean something more important is going on here. this may be a turning point in republicans' ability to use the so-called religious freedom bills to authorize what amounts in many people's eyes to discrimination. hutchinson's son responded with interesting political analysis about this today. he said it was bipartisan pressure, not family conversation, that was moving his father.
quote, i didn't sway my dad, he told "the new york times" today, i think my dad is rethinking this because of the pressure that's coming at him from all sides. as for walmart, a big part of that pressure, the company also responded today saying, we commend governor hutchison for reconsidering the bill. we support the religious freedom and making sure the legislature makes sure any legislation does not encourage discrimination. now, all this, of course, comes weeks after the governors of arkansas and indiana had been fully behind these religious liberty bills. it goes to show, yeah, that politics moves pretty slowly until it moves very, very quickly. joining me now is charles pierce, the writer in large for "esquire" magazine. people on the forefront of this issue, president of the little rock regional chamber of commerce. welcome, everybody. charles, let me start with you. and the politics, you could get whiplash watching some of these republican governors back track. >> yeah.
i think that asa hutchinson did a very smart thing, and mike pence can't seem to find the thing with both hands. when you're on the wrong side of a human rights issue from walmart and nascar, you really have to wonder how far from the pack you've strayed. >> jay, what do you think of that, and the idea that whether it's walmart, the biggest company around, which has plenty of practices that are controversial in their own right, to small businesses, this stuff doesn't fly anymore. this is seen as a baseline, don't discriminate and don't tell us around the country it's just for free religion that people can't follow what's really going on. >> well, and while this bill protected religious freedoms for all our kansans, it was interpreted as a bill that an arkansan can use. >> do they think this is a
chance to plan a flag and establish themselves in a positive light? >> you know, i think this is a chance for our arkansas businesses to plant that flag and establish themselves in a popular light, simply because businesses are made up of individuals. individuals want to live, work, play and learn in a comfortable environment, an environment that they can thrive in. we want arkansas to be that environment. >> and lou, what do you think? even as all the progress happens, it's partly a function of the politics, and frankly the attention this has gotten, as we've been reporting and pointing out a few weeks ago, this was not the state of play. a lot of these companies weren't out on board. a lot of these states don't have otherwise any protection for people who, for example, get fired because of their identity. >> which is true in missouri. we have -- in fact, we have three bills in our legislature
right now that are promoting this kind of pandering, this anti-gay, lgbt pandering. in my business, a small business is really close to the community. i live blocks from my business. my 24 employees really reflect the community. so that you're discriminating against your neighbor. it's easier to do it from a large corporate headquarters. it's very difficult to do it when you're standing in a store that hundreds and hundreds of people of every walk of life, every ethnicity, every gender come into every morning. >> and we've been talking about this, lew, it's also weird. >> yes. >> not something a lot of people relate to saying, i'm looking at my religious values. let me think about drawing lines who i work with in business or public life and say, wait, as i was saying the other night on
"all in," what kind of marriage do you have, even though those hold a belief that god holds a different view of marriage. let me read to you that the atlantic was pointing out about the distinguish/arkansas thing. both of these states are solidly conservative. even the suggestion of discrimination is in right-leaning states and suggesting same-sex marriage opponents who viewed religious freedom laws against gay marriage will have to look for a novel strategy. i wonder what you think of that, lew. at a certain point i think a lot of companies are waking up to the fact that they were getting pulled along on this. because some of the right-wing groups wanted to make this the issue when they couldn't win on marriage equality. >> exactly. these legislators are pandering to sort of the lowest and most backward denominator on the political spectrum. and they're already being left behind in the dust. it's pretty obvious that the -- the average citizen doesn't
really care about this stuff. doesn't want to discriminate against their neighbor. certainly, in my business, as a business person, it makes absolutely no sense for me to chase away good customers for any reason. this is a particularly odious one. because it is an attack on their freedom to live their lives. in that sense, it's completely unamerican. >> charles, your response and where does this go next? >> well, i mean, a couple of things. number one, i agree with lew entirely. this is an economy that still isn't robust. and this is isn't the conversation anybody who runs a business needs to have. people running businesses in this country have enough problems. in indiana right now, they're trying to find a way to fix this law without declaring lgbt people a quote unquote, protected class. ari, you're the lawyer. i only play one on my blog. but my understanding is, they can't protect local
anti-discrimination laws in cities and towns in indiana unless the state law makes lgbt people a protected class. pence said he won't do that. so that's where the state of play is right now here. >> i feel like you're throwing a question back at me. i would agree and say that would be the main way to do it. you know, jay, there are other ways you could do it. but that would be the main legal way, because we have nondiscrimination laws that go by class and say, look, you can't fire someone because of their gender, or because they left work for a while to have a child. those are protections we have. but not on the identity issue. what do you think of that, and where the chamber of -- locally and nationally -- can help? >> i think the business community recognizes all across the country, we want to be known as a state and country of opportunity, not intolerance. the business community gets that. we're very appreciative of what the governor did today. and what the legislative leaders have now been asked to do tonight and tomorrow, to plant that stake in the ground and
show, we are for a fair and open and equitable work environment and business environment. >> all right. go ahead, quickly. >> i think there's a further question which is, why would part of our political class, why would any of our elected officials want to be associated with this kind of intolerance of a large section of the population. and why would any public official want to be associated with denying any citizen the right to access to something as simple as a business. >> building on that, ari, you will note that no prospective republican presidential candidate has expressed ambivalence, let alone support for anything except mike pence's position. and i think if the business community really wants to get behind this and create this inclusive environment in which we'll all prosper, and we'll all have opportunity in these phony impediments not in the way, they can stop financing the campaign of people like mike pence. >> i think that is a big
question. jeb bush, of course, got out in front of this. who knows where he'll be next week. that's something if the chamber is serious about, they should talk to him about it. thank you all for your time tonight. we've got another big story coming up. federal prosecutors indicting senator robert menendez today, less than an hour ago he came out swinging saying he is angry, ready to fight. we're going to explain the charges, how it relates to obama's iran deal straight ahead. there's only two of us... how much dirt can we manufacture? very little. more than you think. (doorbell) what's that? what's this? swiffer sweeper. i came in under the assumption that it was clean. i've been living in a fool's paradise! i win again. paul george the all-star. you still got it. play for the check? nope, with papa john's new payshare it already split the check for us. so, we wont be needing this anymore. introducing payshare. new at papa john's. share your bill
still hanging in the balance, if you follow the news you probably know negotiators have gone into overtime. we just don't know whether that means things are coming to the or falling apart. john kerry said he will stay in switzerland until thursday. experts are simply divided on whether all this means that diplomats are close to a deal, or just trying out their last hail mary passes.
a "washington post" report says current negotiations appear to have taken a sour turn, and are on shaky ground. accusatory statements flew back and forth through the early evening, even as the diplomats acknowledged they were still exploring proposals to find out a way out of an impasse. if you're wondering whether all that additional tension made today's negotiations look any different, well, it's probably safe to say, no, it didn't. >> now, that is what's going on over there. but back here in the states today, one of the president's biggest foreign policy critics is exiting the foreign relations committee we're told, potentially a surprise ending to a very long-standing battle over the president's foreign affairs
for nearly three years i've lived under a justice department cloud. today i'm outraged that this cloud has not been lifted. i'm outraged that prosecutors at the justice department were tricked into starting this investigation three years ago, with false allegations by those who have a political motive to
silence me. but i will not be silenced. i'm confident at the end of the day, i will be vindicated. and they will be exposed. >> federal prosecutors indicted a sitting u.s. senator on bribery charges. the first federal bribery prosecution of a senator in a generation. prosecutors say new jersey senator robert menendez took hundreds of thousands of dollars in bribes and gifts from a donor. alleging menendez took international flights on private jets, first-class plane trips, use of a caribbean villa, access to an exclusive dominican resort, a stay at a luxury hotel in paris, expensive meals, golf outings and tens of thousands of dollars in contributions to a legal defense fund. now, those were the gifts prosecutors allege he paid his friends back by abusing his office. including pushing policies to enrich him.
and prosecutors saying influencing the legal proceedings of his girlfriend. menendez could spend decades in prison. he said nothing about resigning his senate seat at that press conference we showed you today. but, other big news here tonight. the senator said he notified leadership he will, he will temporarily step down from his crucial post as a top democrat on the foreign relations committee. and that has major implications on the entire iran debate. in this post, menendez was the most powerful democrat on foreign policy in the senate and huge thorn in the side of president obama's iran controversy. the white house said it could undermine the late-stage negotiations. he crossed the president on many other issues. here's another interesting piece tonight. they're suggesting that that long-running feud is why he was targeted by prosecutors in obama's justice department. that's an explosive charge, though the investigation
predates this whole iran battle. this news broke tonight. so no one knows who will become the top democrat on the committee. california's barbara boxer is technically next in line. but she's believed to have no interest in leaving her post on the environmental committee to fill this opening. after her it would be maryland democrat ben carton. whichever democrat ends up as the new ranking member of the senate foreign relations committee, it's likely a big boost to this white house's foreign policy agenda. joining me now on all of this, paul butler, a former federal prosecutor who specialized in the corruption cases and hillary, who served as a middle east executive in the clinton and bush administrations, and co-author of a book "going to iran." good evening. >> good evening. >> paul, how serious are these charges? >> these are very serious charges. this is a 65-page indictment, 14 counts, including bribery. the government almost never
charges bribery, because it's so hard to prove. you have to show an explicit agreement that the senator used his official duties in exchange for gifts like lavish gifts, like campaign contributions, hotel stays, private flights -- a private jet. usually the government goes for something that's easier to prove. again, this is a confident prosecutor. they wouldn't do this unless they felt sure they could get a jury of senator menendez's peers to convict him. >> the senator for his part tonight said, look, they've got this all wrong. you're aloud to be friends with people. you're allowed to have friends who give you stuff. he previewed that as his defense. take a listen, paul. >> i'm angry because prosecutors at the justice department don't know the difference between friendship and corruption. and have chosen to twist my duties as a senator, and my friendship, into something that is improper.
they are dead wrong. and i am confident that they will be proven so. >> you prosecuted these kind of federal corruption cases. how common is that? how does it work? >> things are changing. it used to be a successful defense. then we saw it didn't work for governor mcdonald in virginia. you know, he's on his way to prison. i think what jurors are starting to get is, maybe this is how politics used to work back in the day. you scratch my back, i scratch yours. it's a new day now. so there's a line that's crossed when it's not just that it's regular politics to do favors. if you're doing favors not because you want to help someone, but because they're giving you money, expensive gifts, rolex watches, for mcdonald, private flights on jets, $5,000 a night hotel rooms for this senator, jurors are saying, that's not -- that's a crime. >> not just back scratching, i mean, the allegations, and
that's what they are at this point, but the allegations of this indictment are very explicit. if you scratch my back, i will help your former girlfriend get a visa. i will help you abuse the medicare policy of this nation to enrich yourself. very, very specific details. hillary, i turn to you on the whole other piece of this, which is, whatever happens in the case, he's innocent until proven guilty, tonight the breaking news as well is he's stepping off the foreign relations committee where he has been going completely against this president's priorities. what do you think the implications are there, especially if someone like senator carden fills his place? >> i think it could be very significant. you know, the pro-sanctions topple the islamic re pup lick of iran government, that whole group here in washington has been in real disarray since president obama has charged forward trying to make a deal with the islamic republic of iran. the one area they thought they could constrain the
administration in going forward with iran, was a bipartisan support for new sanctions. that bipartisan support was very much dependent on senator menendez, who has always supported the most hawkish of the republican policies on whether it's iran or cuba, authorization of military force, a range of issues. with him gone, or at least out of commission for a while, it still will be a tough sell for president obama, but at least this is a thorn out of their side. >> what do you make in your knowledge of washington diplomacy of this other charge, which is what we've said clearly has not been substantiated in any way, but part of this debate and certainly conservatives online have welcomed it, which is the democratic leader senator saying he's improperly targeted by the obama administration. >> i think he's likely to throw the whole kitchen sink out there so he doesn't go to jail. the facts are really against him. not only did this investigation start long before that, but there's been a whisper campaign
about these allegations of corruption on a range of issues, including with a very controversial group that has listed as a terrorist organization, that had fought against the iranian government, until a group that supported senator menendez, was essentially able to buy themselves out of that designation. i think he's looking at a whole can of worms that will open against him. he will throw anything he has back at them. the administration, though, i think handled him with kid gloves. you can look at that not so much on iran, but on cuba. they waited until after the midterm defeat in november to announce a new policy on cuba. so as not to embarrass him, to let him continue to serve with dignity. i think the facts will show they treated him with respect, but that it's his policies, both in terms of corruption and in terms of his hawkish foreign policies, that have gotten him in so much trouble. >> the timing of the policy announcement may fit some of that. i don't think anyone tonight is thinking that the prosecutors in the justice department are treating him with kid gloves.
>> reporter: this measuring station in the mountains should be buried under five feet of snow. today governor jerry brown made history. >> we're in a historic drought. that demands unprecedented action. for that reason, i'm issuing an executive order mandating substantial water reduction across our state. >> reporter: the governor says water use must be slashed by 25%. because reservoirs across the region are running on empty as seen in this drone video documenting bone-dry record-breaking conditions. nasa says this epic drought now affects 64 million americans across the west. scientists call what's happening here unprecedented. >> very likely the single worst drought of the last 150 years. and possibly approaching the worst drought of the last 500 to 1,000 years. >> reporter: the governor said californians need to change the way they live.
but in a state with 1.5 million swimming pools and sprawling growth, that won't be easy. cities like long beach and businesses like mcdonald's have been fined for wasting water. now they're installing new water meters, so-called electronic ankle bracelets to monitor consumption. >> absolutely, it changes their behavior very quickly. you can't hide. >> reporter: fallout from the crippling crisis will soon tarnish some of california's most spectacular sites. this will turn to a trickle by june. some state rivers will soon become creeks. even trees are dying. >> this is the new normal. and we'll learn how to cope with it. >> reporter: while the governor is tonight optimistically hoping that californians will reduce their water use by 25%, nothing is going to help these reservoirs except for rainfall and snowfall.
that simply isn't going to happen. tonight many are also wishing the governor did more ordering mandatory water rationing. that also isn't going to happen, the governor saying he's doing all he can for right now. >> thanks to miguel for that report. all in america is heading to the west to cover the water shortage there in california. stay tuned for details on that. are these politicians who haven't actually said they're running for president but raising money?
jeb bush is in silicon valley for a big fund-raising push. california donors aren't sold on him as a front-runner. yesterday bush was in bellaire charging a $100,000 for attendance. once bush officially enters the raise, he can't raise those kind of sums under federal law. for now he's a noncandidate, and he can raise money directly for his right to rise super pac.
when he declares, he'll face a ban on coordination between super pac and candidates. jeb bush's big money approach is drawing scrutiny from watchdog groups. they filed a complaint against him and three other potential candidates yesterday, including scott walker and rick santorum, and martin o'malley, alleging they're all using these super pacs to skirt the federal law for candidates testing the waters to follow a stricter limit on contributions. even if they curtail the super pac, jeb bush found another way to keep the money coming in with very little oversight. establishing a nonprofit right to rise policy solutions, which because of its tax-exempt status, can accept unlimited funds from completely anonymous donors. a bush spokesperson declined to comment saying, these questions are premature and speculative as, wait for it, governor bush not a candidate for office at this time. joining me now, covering national politics for "the new
york times," and radio host richard. good evening, gentlemen. >> good evening, ari. >> nick, a lot of emphasis on the idea that you're not quite officially technically a candidate. why is that so important under these rules? >> because all these candidates are thinking ahead to when they actually do declare. once they actually get in the race. the sec looks at what you were doing before you got the race. if you're testing the waters, you have to abide by the same rules as if you were already a candidate. so if you are seen to be testing the waters, before you actually declare, and as part of that, you were doing things that would be legal for a candidate like asking for $100,000 from a donor, that's against the law. so they have to pretend that this whole spectacle of these candidates, they have to pretend when they go to iowa and new hampshire and go to fund-raisers and speak at events, they're not actually speaking anything resembling a campaign.
>> it's sort of like so many parts of politics are just, you know, b.s. and so it's not surprising that some of the political regulations would appeal to people like b.s. if you have a learner's permit and you're supposed to follow the rules of the road here, why is it so important to pretend you're not a candidate and get around them? what do you make of it in the larger consequences here for democracy? >> i think all americans should be disgusted by these type of policies put forth in the past couple of years. it creates this idea where there's a two-class system, the haves who can influence politicians to change laws, and have-nots that can't vote because of voter suppression or voter i.d. laws. now they don't have a say in the game. they don't know the candidates are running because the primary is happening before the primary. now it's a money grab at best. >> yeah. i mean, nick, speak to that. some people would say, i thought there were no rules in super pac. this is the only rule about the coordination thing. yet i think if you were watching
this at home you would say, great, they found another way around it. >> the whole point of the super pac is you're not supposed to be able to ask for huge checks if you're a candidate for office. that's supposed to be one thing you can't do. by pretending you're not actually a candidate, even when you are, you can do a variety of things like asking for that money that would normally be against the law. >> and do you think -- we've been covering tonight robert menendez's indictment, which is gifts worth hundreds of thousands of dollars and he directly received it. so that's bribery. >> plain old bribery. there's also a new kind of bribery. we're seeing in the menendez case, if you are a donor and you want to curry favor with a politician, in part by giving him campaign contributions, there's a limit to how much you can give him, or his defense fund or his state party. but there's no limit to what you can give to a super pac, and then pledge that that money has to go help him in his race. that's legal.
that's what happened here. this guy gave $600,000 to a super pac, said, this money is to help the senator in his race. that's legal. and that was part of the favors he was doing for menendez allegedly in exchange for policy actions, billing dispute, contracting for the government, and on more. >> richard, what do you think of the politics of this? there have been candidates like john mccain to be fair and give him credit for some of his campaign finance reforms. russ feingold. if you go back a ways. people who actually ran on this and said, let's be realistic, we're not changing these rules overnight, but we can try to create a political cause for this runaway fund-raising and spending. i'm not seeing that really on either side so far, though. what do you think about the politics of trying to create a cost for this? >> i think nothing gets done in the dome behind me, ari. here's the thing, this cloud of money exists over that capitol
building. they all understand the more money they raise, the better off they are in the next election. the only candidate in the race to give props to is ted cruz, who announced. he it no longer accept money. all the other candidates are taking money in, hand over fist. they are basically influenced by rich folks to make the decision that will only benefit rich folks and not poor folks. i think all americans at home should be downright alarmed. >> and nick, you know, richard makes the point about ted cruz. a lot of times we tend to personalize these things. well, ted cruz was in a rush. he really wanted to run. we make it about his personality. when in fact if you want to be cynical and look at ted cruz, you would say, this is someone who doesn't have that kind of jeb bush money coming in. so he can get in early, focus on whatever he might get from grass roots, talk radio, those kind of donations, sort of the howard dean model. he's not giving anything up on the other side. do you think that's a fair way to read the calculus? >> that has to be part of it. he certainly has his big money
donors who love him. he's not going to be in the jeb bush league for raising huge donations. you go first and stake out a position as the alternative to jeb bush, raise grass roots money. you aren't giving up time with donors for your super pac. because those donors are not backing you in the first place. >> go ahead. >> i've got to agree with nick on this one. what ted cruz is doing is saying this election is without ideals. let's talk about real ideals, let me convince donors about the ideals i'm trying to push and let them all give me $3,000, and build a grass roots campaign. the others are saying, let's get as much money as possible, and copy and paste them into my agenda. that's bad for the american people. this election is not going to be about how much money you can raise. this election is going to be about how ends meet at the kitchen table. the only candidates that can talk about that will be those who suppress more votes.
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we don't have any practical jokes for you tonight. this is a news broadcast, after all. but the internet has been full of pranks today. comedian john oliver, not a fan. >> anyone who claims to be excited for april fool's day is probably a sociopath. because what they're really saying is, i cannot wait to hurt the people close to me. i can't wait. >> there were hurtful terrible pranks this year, including scott walker promising some kind of big announcement, presumably a campaign, and then tweeting he's supporting his home state basketball team in the final four with the #april fool's. there were also jokes about animals in the so-called selfie sticks where you can sort of take a picture of yourself with your phone. petco combined the two in its april fool's joke with a selfie stick for dogs. the clothing company ms. moos said they created selfie shoes for humans. >> no matter where you go, you'll always be camera ready. just insert your phone into the port, raise it to the perfect angle, and click the internal
button with the tap of your toe to take the photo. >> it does look like something some kids would do. meanwhile, the do it yourself crafting site launched crafting, or crafting for pets. we mentioned this one so we can show you this picture of a cat sewing. who needs the internet. you have msnbc. there's a cat and sewing. all right. group-on introduced the world to a car service with cat drivers called gruber. while the clothing company sent past customers an e-mail confirming their order of $3,500 of miniature horse product. they named it little dusty, and included a link to a live feed of this supposed horse with the words april fool's stamped on it. and the dating app hinge unleashed an april fool's version for toddlers who want to meet mature looking play dates. >> can i see your i.d.s, please?
>> i'm 5 years old. >> and i'm 4 years old. >> and i'm done with that video. there were a ton of these today. google allowed you to turn google maps into a pacman game. and an app that lets you work while you sleep. and alamo claimed it was leasing out monster trucks. when we return, we're going to talk to you about a in you product that was just announced that is real, that actually a lot of people thought was an april fool's prank. but which might actually be the future. that's ahead.
what would you like for breakfast? >> the usual. >> the usual? >> bacon. >> bacon. and one soft-boiled egg. >> and one soft-boiled egg. >> thanks, mom. >> there you have a vision of the future from the jetsons. the future might be here, thanks to amazon. >> introducing the amazon dash button for prime members. order the important things you always run low on. set it up to order what you want. press it when you're running low. >> amazon sending some of its customers free branded clickable buttons that help automate anything without the hassle of logging on to the computer or your credit card.
it is a concrete example of what many futurists call the fix. good evening, gentlemen. >> good evening. >> sam, what do you make of this? >> you know, i showed my daughter that video. and she said, oh, that's cool. i said, look around the kitchen. think about many buttons we would have to have around here. she said that doesn't seem to make any sense. my sense is that this is a -- there's probably an agenda here. but i don't think there's any sense this is going to be widely adopted. >> you're saying too many buttons, if it's one is its own product. >> i guess i like the idea of the convenience. but i remember back when they were rolling out cable for the first time and talking about inventing products, and being able to sit there on your wired cable remote, and buying the product. i mean, i just -- i don't think this is something we're going to
see widely adopted in the long run. it's fun to talk about. >> max, is this a huge trend? >> i think it's pretty exciting and interesting in terms of pushing the technology. it's certainly a solution in search of a problem. it doesn't mean you won't use it. part of the promise and excitement of silicon valley is exciting new things. what makes money is things that solve problems for things that don't exist for people who maybe want to buy more stuff. >> like detergent, not stuff you have to choose all the time. i will tell you, sam, i buy my razors online, in bulk, because they're just cheaper than buying them in new york city. i got an automated thing from a company saying, you can give us a credit card and we'll just send you out another round. which i did. and then i was telling my wife later afterwards, i was thinking
about the fact that, okay, so, what, the razors keep coming to the house forever, automated until i die? it was just sort of a depressing thought in a way. i actually canceled that order, automation just felt like too much. >> i think it works for some people. to a certain extent, what this one-touch button thing is going to be is about data, some level we talked about, and some ways it seems like it's sort of a neilsen ratings. we're going to get data from the certain group of people for early adapters to this technology. we're either going to be able to sell it or roll it back into what we're doing. amazon, you know, and i should say that i am an amazon affiliate. i raise money via my podcast that way. but they're a little big footy. not to mention their labor practices. but i'm not convinced that a lot of this has to do with squeezing other people out of business, trapping sort of the consumer. and in some ways, the suppliers
and the brands. >> max, that's the other piece of this, right, when the internet started out, it was like, oh, my god, you can get everything everywhere. and people used to make fun of the old aol. you have a couple of little buttons so it shrinks it down to a manageable experience. it seems like when you look at the popularity of social networks, sites like buzz feed, which is say, you don't need to look around the internet, we have it all right here for you, this is a commercial version of that that could be very profitable, but ultimately means a couple of platforms will decide what you really need to keep reupping. >> once apple became the $800 billion proof that it works, that you charge a lot, inside the gated community, if you will, everybody wanted in. there's a few big companies, microsoft, google, apple, amazon, soup to nuts, cradle to grave, you never have to go to the store. actually, your entire house is the store, you pay for the lighting, the heat, the
electricity and you never leave the store. whose store? my store. if i get it right, it's a genius move. either way, i think we're just proving right now that they get a couple hundred million dollars worth of free publicity already. >> if you want to litigate that out, okay, you go to the store less, so you go on and live the rest of your life more. spend more time with your family. go to other places that might have more personal or cultural significance for you than a big box store. >> you know, i think montana of the people who would use this anyway is to go online to buy their stuff in the first place. it's about getting the immediate data. exactly when do people run out of a product. exactly at what point do they look at how much they have. and decide to buy it. because you get that, the sort of immediate response. this is like sort of the -- you're at the checkout counter and looking at the trashy magazines or a piece of gum. it gives some very precise data
about the, i guess the reordering habits for some common goods. so i don't know. i'm not so -- i don't feel bad about not going to a box store or anywhere else to buy my detergent. still, seems a little bit amazing. >> look, i think everything out of the service is the model in wall street. it takes the chunkiness out of commerce. and it makes it possible to plan and maximize profit. so everyone wants everything to be a subscription service. they want to gather data on your behavior and sell that while they sell something to you, and they want it to be mindless and self-repeating. your story about the razors, they stop when your credit card fails, not when you die. when the money runs out, not when the customer runs out. >> so you feel there's something there. >> that's right. >> sam and maxwell, thanks for joining us. appreciate it. that's our show for tonight. good evening, rachel. >> i'm canceling the razor of the month club that i was planning on getting you. i didn't know it would creep you out so much.
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